September 04, 2008

Video: Clones are People, Too!

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1 "World conquerizing"

I love it!

Posted by: Rachel at September 04, 2008 10:08 AM (g6BIR)

2

Probably an irrelevant point but wasn't it the clones who survived while the original would drown to death in the Prestige? So it could be more like suicide and not murder.

Never understood the hubbub over cloning. As you mentioned identical twins are clones yet their existence has failed to create an ethical crisis for millennia. I suspect that it is just luddites who dislike cloning despite the fact that agriculture has been doing it for a long time.

Posted by: Andrew Baker at September 04, 2008 11:13 AM (/Pip3)

3 You know, in The Prestige, I'm really not sure.  He seemed to think his hat remained unmoved, but because the physics of that trick are really unknown, it's impossible to distinguish.  Even so, whoever fell into the water and drowned didn't seem very pleased about it, so I am against it.

Posted by: Flibbert at September 04, 2008 12:55 PM (ErOeR)

4 I guess it would be like a cell after mitosis. Which one is the original or copy? Both. So his action should be classified as a murder suicide. Contradictory crime at its worst.

Posted by: Andrew Baker at September 04, 2008 02:58 PM (/Pip3)

5 That movie always irritated me very much due to the issue of personal identity, because there is no continuity of self-awareness between the one who dies and his clone. The clone might be an exact copy of the original with mental content and all, but it is not the original. The original and his self-awareness are extinguished. And the clone is another physically separate person, though identical in terms of content, with his own self-awareness. Consciousness is inseparably tied to one specific body (or, more precisely, one specific brain). It cannot be transferred to another one. So doing that "magic" trick with clones and all is simply crazy... in effect he does indeed kill himself.

Posted by: Sascha Settegast at September 04, 2008 06:43 PM (7Sf1X)

6 The movie irritated me because it has no real theme. It was like watching the The Twilight Zone with a plot twist but without a moral point. I wasn't upset or elated with the outcome because it seemed like a bunch of people behaving bizarrely until it became destructive and the show ended. At least if I didn't like the lesson of The Twilight Zone episode there was some to point to the episode.

Posted by: Andrew Baker at September 04, 2008 07:42 PM (/Pip3)

7 Oh, I enjoyed that movie a lot.  I was delighted to be so surprised at the very end.

And there was a theme: it was about the spiritual decay of the two characters wrought by their obsession with beating one another at creating illusions.  It had the all the philosophical depth, I think, of a detective story a la Law & Order, but I enjoyed it a lot.

Posted by: Flibbert at September 04, 2008 08:18 PM (ErOeR)

8 I liked the movie, it was quite entertaining. Just the end was a bit shocking to me, not in regard to the movie's theme, but in regard to what it means for a person cloning himself and then drowning in a watertank. Maybe I am a bit too much in love with being conscious.

Posted by: Sascha Settegast at September 05, 2008 06:11 AM (/+rOU)

9 See?  You learned a valuable lesson, then: If you find yourself competing with a man who has a secret, identical twin for the best magic trick ever, do not compete with tricks where a secret, identical twin would come in handy or else you may find yourself driven nearly insane and utterly morally depraved to the point of routinely committing murder/suicide for the price of tickets.

And just being hot like Hugh Jackman can't bring you back from that.

Ok.  It just occurred to me: why didn't Hugh Jackman clone himself just once and then he'd have a twin for doing magic tricks, too?

Posted by: Flibbert at September 05, 2008 07:33 AM (ErOeR)

10 Because that would be too rational.

Posted by: Andrew Baker at September 05, 2008 04:57 PM (/Pip3)

11 heh heh heh... I actually think it was for a couple of reasons:

1) His moral/philosophical degradation was complete that he no longer saw any value in life when it meant not having magic tricks as good as Christian Bale's.

2) He looked in the mirror and saw that more Hugh Jackman in the world was better than less even if it was in the form of drowned, bloated corpses.

Posted by: Flibbert at September 06, 2008 12:51 AM (xzhy1)

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