December 02, 2008
Well! I have been missing out! Especially on Peikoff's podcasts. Diana cued me in on Peikoff's comments on circumcision in his Podcast #34.
Question: Medical issues aside, what right does a parent have to alter a child's body? On one end of the spectrum, I could imagine a parent wanting to remove an abnormal but benign growth, say, a sixth, non-functioning finger. On the other end of the spectrum is circumcision, which I regard as mutilation. (Peikoff: By the way, I agree with that 100%. There can be no legitimate reason for anyone to circumcise a boy as either primitive religion, abject conformity, or the evil of the [???]. Now this question goes on.) Aside from from those two extremes of the sixth finger and circumcision, somewhere in the middle of the spectrum are things like ear-piercing on which I am undecided.And I agree for the most part. Ear piercing doesn't spark the same outrage that circumcision does for me because ears just because my interest -- for obvious reasons -- in ears is not even close to the same as my interest in penises, particularly my own.
Answer: Now, my view would be this: If there is no violation of the biologically normal, then a parent may make changes in that which is abnormal or that which is required by the health. For instance, I do not think parents should have the right to withhold blood in the case of a child who is going to sicken and die for lack of a transfusion. That should be absolutely mandatory on similar grounds on what I said on the further question. But aside from this, I think anything else that would be permanent should be left to the child once he's 18, forbidden by the parent until he's 18. For instance, even piercing ears to wear earrings, piercing the tongue, having indelible tattoos -- all of that I think should be prohibited by a parent and impermissible to a parent to do when the child is their ward and doesn't know what to do.
I have objected in the past to piercing the ears of infants and small children, though. I just don't see and reason a baby needs earrings. Older children, teens, however, may want pierced ears and I'd have to really think about allowing them to have that done because pierced ears aren't disadvantageous in any way that I know of, but I do see Peikoff's point.
Tongue piercings and tattoos are DEFINITELY out of the question for my child, though.
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Why stop at tongue piercings? Having metal and plastic hang from the body just looks bad. I don't notice female earrings and notice male earrings for the wrong reasons. No child of mine would be allowed to look like a brigand until he is eighteen.
Peikoff's point seems to be a similar conclusion I reached where parents should have no say in changing of non defective parts of the body. Although his point that the child should be prohibited until eighteen makes sense because that is when you would be considered legally competent.
I am a slacker too. I pretty much read Diana's website and talk with my friend to find out more. But I think of objectivism as having no sacraments which you must oblige. If I see I made an error in my analysis I just correct and continue living.
Oh and your comment " or the evil of the [???]." reminds me of a saying I saw on another comments post from a different blog. "Circumcision, the cure looking for a disease."
Posted by: Andrew Baker at December 02, 2008 01:13 PM (bVVsH)
Recently, I have started using Google Reader to pull together dozens of RSS feeds so that new posts related to Objectivism or my other interests come to me in a single interface.
The entries are queued individually so that I can read some, skip through some, and save specific others for later. It allows me to mark items for later action and add notes for my later reference. Also, I can add notes to an unrelated web page and save it into the same interface for later action. Further, it maintains a searchable history (unsure how long).
Its very intuitive to use, but I plan to make a YT vid about it sometime in the next week that I will ask McKeever to add to the Objectivist Group vids on YT.
Posted by: Jim at December 02, 2008 02:11 PM (5MR/Z)
Posted by: Cogito at December 02, 2008 02:12 PM (/BQXo)
Re: [???] I thought he said, "subject," referring to the penis at first, but after listening to it several time, I'm really just not sure.
Re: Google Reader. Yeah, I need to get with the technology. There are lots of ways to do this, but my slackassitude gets in the way.
Re: Growth hormones and the like. I would say those are acceptable. Being short won't kill you, but neither will being illiterate. You should still teach your child to read. Being taller is, on balance, far more beneficial than being tall for a number of reasons, but it would depend on the extremity of their condition. I mean, you don't want to make a giant, but neither do you want to leave them a dwarf. So, you'd have to judge your child's condition and determine whether or not a given treatment is in their best interests.
Posted by: Flibbert at December 02, 2008 02:29 PM (ErOeR)
Posted by: Diana Hsieh at December 02, 2008 04:08 PM (9jwc5)
Posted by: Matt F. at December 02, 2008 05:50 PM (xzdOa)
There's the obvious cases of parents just letting their kids die because of their weird religious beliefs, but let's talk about the really thorny issues that are not so easy. Two years ago, I would have said that a parent preventing their child from having chemotherapy for cancer should definitely be prosecuted for child neglect or the child should be forced to have the chemo against the will of the parent. I'm honestly not so sure any more that my previous position was correct, though I would admit it might depend on the stage of the cancer.
Here's the thing. I don't want to see the day in this country when parents are prosecuted for not putting their fat eight year old on a statin drug to reduce his cholesterol just because some supposed expert who believes in pseudoscience says so. And we're kind of getting there. Those are the new American Academy of Pediatrics guidelines.
In short, I am very nervous about medical professionals stepping in as authorities to sue a parent and trump a parent's medical decisions for their child. So I am not sure I agree with Peikoff on this (I'd need to hear more, I think, and I haven't listened to it) on the particulars, although I agree with his basic principles.
It is the mainstream (and supposedly scientific) opinion that feeding unpasteurized milk to your kid is dangerous and in certain states I am sure you could be prosecuted for it. I am sure many people would agree with that type of prosecution but it's dead wrong.
Posted by: Monica at December 02, 2008 08:02 PM (sBhdi)
I see this primarily as a reason to strategically attack the bad ideas that are floating around out there.
Posted by: Flibbert at December 02, 2008 10:39 PM (xzhy1)
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